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The Mountain Meadows Massacre!!

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Wild West Magazine - September 2007 By Will Bagley wrote:
At dawn on Monday, September 7, 1857, Major John D. Lee of the Nauvoo Legion, Utah’s territorial militia, led a ragtag band of 60 or 70 Latter-day Saints, better known as Mormons, and a few Indian freebooters in an assault on a wagon train from Arkansas.

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The emigrants, now known to history as the Fancher Party, were camped at Mountain Meadows, an alpine oasis on the wagon road between Salt Lake City and Los Angeles. The party, led by veteran plainsmen familiar with the California Trail and its variants, consisted of a dozen large, prosperous families and their hired hands. The wagon train comprised 18 to 30 wagons pulled by ox and mule teams, plus several hundred cattle and a number of blooded horses the men were driving to California’s Central Valley. The company included about 140 men, women and children—the women and children outnumbered the able-bodied men 2-to-1.

As daylight broke in the remote Utah Territory valley, a volley of gunfire and a shower of arrows ripped into the wagon camp from nearby ravines and hilltops, immediately killing or wounding about a quarter of the adult males. The surviving men of the Fancher Party leveled their lethal long rifles at their hidden, painted attackers and stopped the brief frontal assault in its tracks. The Arkansans pulled their scattered wagons into a circle l and quickly improved their wagon fort, digging a pit to protect the women and children from stray projectiles. Cut off from any source of water and under continual gunfire, the emigrants fended off their assailants for five long, hellish days.

On Friday, September 11, hope appeared in the form of a white flag. The emigrants let the emissary, a Mormon from a nearby settlement, into their fort, and then John D. Lee, the local Indian agent, followed. Lee told the Arkansans he and his men had come to rescue them from the Indians. If the emigrants would lay down their arms, the local militia would escort them to safety. The travelers had few options: they surrendered and agreed to Lee’s strange terms.

The Mormons separated the survivors into three groups: the wounded and youngest children led the way in two wagons; the women and older children walked behind; and the men, each escorted by an armed guard, brought up the rear. Lee led this forlorn parade more than a mile to the California Trail and the rim of the Great Basin. There, the senior Mormon officer escorting the men gave an order: perhaps “Halt!” but by most accounts, “Do your duty!” A single shot rang out, and each escort turned and shot his man. Painted savages—a few of whom may have been actual Indians—jumped out of the oak brush lining the trail and cut down the women and children, while Lee directed the murder of the wounded, two only escaped, who fled to the desert, and were followed one hundred and fifty miles before they were overtaken and slaughtered.

Everyone was dead except for 17 orphans, all under the age of 7, whom the killers deemed too young to be credible witnesses and who qualified as “innocent blood” under Mormon doctrine... for the men who committed this horrific atrocity, the legacy of Mountain Meadows became a haunting memory they could never escape.

Those most guilty of the crime explained it with denials, lies and alibis that twisted and turned as the evidence inevitably came out. Some of the killers went mad, some apparently killed themselves and several fled to Mexico, but only one man faced the music and was executed for the crime: John D. Lee, regarded as a scapegoat by his descendants and historians alike. For the children who survived and the families of the victims, the massacre became a deep and enduring wound.

The murderers appropriated the Fancher train’s considerable property and cash. Much of it apparently made its way into Mormon leader Brigham Young’s pockets, and not a penny of compensation was ever offered to the survivors. For many living descendants and relatives of the victims, who have long been slandered as frontier hard cases who got what they deserved, the massacre remains a bitter injustice.

Readers the inconsistency with all of the historical accounts, remains the group photo...

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It is significant because none of the historians mention that a photographer was there, there is another shot shows the men's bodies scattered loosely across about forty meters, it is visible on the 2007 Mormon tape, the men are still fully clad, ie their clothing had not been disturbed, as it was to be when the killers tore it away searching for money belts.

The death of John D Lee... executed by firing squad, while sitting adjacent to his coffin at the Mountain Meadows site...

Official story of JD Lee's death wrote:
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John D. Lee would be the only person punished for the massacre of some 120 men, women and children, this 1875 photo shows men preparing for the execution, Lee is seated next to the coffin.

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This photo shows Lee's dead body in the coffin after the execution!!


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 Post subject: Satanic? 1857 Mormon Massacre of Wagon Train!!
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On Sept. 11 1857, in Utah Territory, Mormons slaughtered a wagon train with more than 120 California-bound settlers from Arkansas. This became known as the “Mountain Meadows Massacre.” The motive was the Mormon “religion.”

The wagon train was ambushed by a group of men dressed in clothing of Paiute Indians at a location called “Mountain Meadows.” There was a skirmish with mutual casualties forcing the attacking party to retreat. The settlers fortified themselves behind their wagons. It was a standoff.

A couple of days passed and the settlers saw a party of white men approaching and ran out, thinking they were saved. But it was a trick. These same men had been the attackers dressed as Indians. They disarmed the surprised travelers and proceeded to execute the men, women, and adolescents in cold blood.

Archeological exhumation of the victims in this century revealed most of the victims were killed by close gunshot to the skull. Many were killed by fracturing the skull with stones. 120 men, women and children. Only 17 were spared: children under 7 years old who were “too young to tell”. These children were given to Mormon families (presumably).

Brigham Young led a church cover-up, saying that the Natives were responsible for the massacre. He wrote that pioneers had earlier caused the death of Natives by giving them poisoned meat, and by poisoning some of their wells.

Only one man, a minor character, a judge and Indian agent John D. Lee was tried with three other unimportant men and was the only one convicted for the massacre. He was executed by firing squad for the crime in 1877, 20 years after the event.

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Last year, a movie “September Dawn” starring Jon Voight recounted this story. See a review, Mormon Massacre by Robert Novak.


What was the motive of the Slaughter of Christians at Mountain Meadows Utah?

The doctrine that ‘Apostates’ (non-Mormon Christians) have become so stained with sin that their souls can only be saved by especially brutal murder at the hands of the holy. This fanaticism may have motivated the raid. But I believe this was the version for the lower initiate brutes who carried out the carnage. I suspect the inner agenda of this doctrine wasn’t ‘atonement’ at all, but an excuse for ritual blood sacrifice to Satan for the capstone of the Mormon hierarchy. I think the massacre was indeed a mass blood sacrifice on the order of the Druid’s harvest ‘wicker man’ mass sacrifices Julius Caesar wrote described in his The Gallic Wars. I also strongly suspect our 911 mass murder of nearly 3,000 people is in this tradition

Brigham Young has always been implicated, having reiterated this theology during the ‘Reformation’. But he was far enough removed from evidence to have ‘plausible deniability’ and cooperated with Washington by telegram in prosecuting the scapegoats.

A clue that the Federal US Government, the American press and public, and even Mark Twain overlooked was the date - September eleven. The full ritual significance of this particular date to elite Satanist cult at the head of all these satraps of Satanism remains unknown to us. But circumstantially, the list of ‘coincidental’ mass violent murders on a grand historical scale having occurred on this date is a long one.

One of the sources of the LDS Church’s great wealth was recruiting new members all over America. Many will remember the sight of two young men dressed in cheap suits riding bicycles, carrying Mormon bibles, and going door to door.

However, these recruiters and the recruited are considered ‘outer temple’ back in Salt Lake headquarters. Due to this Mormon ‘outreach’ to non-Mormons one-to-one across America for a century, most people know the Mormon bible says that Jesus appeared to the Indians, and an archangel appeared to Joseph Smith when he was a teenager, letting him ‘borrow golden tablets containing amendments to the Gospel of Jesus and the Ten Commandments. Thus, ‘Latter Day Saints’.

But there’s much more, reserved for the Mormon initiate elite. The rest of the teaching that only inner temple ascended Mormons learn, is a tale that God convened a meeting of his archangels and two sons, to determine the improvement of the human race on Earth. According to this story, Jesus and Lucifer are brothers, each with a God-approved role with humanity. In the story God thinks Lucifer’s role is more important than Jesus’s talents, so he appoints Lucifer ruler of the world.

Now, in high Mormonism, God had at one time have been a child, and grew up. So men, in the image of God, children of God, can through enlightenment ‘grow up’ and become gods. They can’t be God of earth, of course, Lucifer has dibs on that. So Mormons teach that a man’s ascended soul each get’s his own planet, taking with him many wives to populate his new world.

On the ladder of initiation in the Mormon hierarchy members buy these planetary Divine franchises in proportion to the wealth they accumulate and tythe to the LDS coffers in Salt Lake.

More powerful in America than people think.

“It is widely known that Mormons have had a disproportionate representation in the CIA and FBI through the years, and that J. Edgar Hoover started the FBI with Mormon agents. They also have a disproportionate representation in the US Congress - five Mormon senators and 12 representatives - partly because of the concentration of Mormons in the Western US.” ~ Susan Mazur, Bush and the Mormons, 2004.

Something else well known is that the LDS have the most extensive compilation of authenticated genealogies of individuals of all religions and races in the world. They’re in the business of doing genealogical research for anyone interested in their own family history, Mormon or not. They’re well known for this and regarded as the best, due to their immense genealogical records already collected and housed in Salt Lake. Their service isn’t cheap, either.

During 1991, woman of a generational Mormon family in Texas who had become a Setian member of Satanist NSA General Michael Aquino’s then Temple of Set, informed me that the real Mormon interest in collecting genealogies is that they believe they souls of the dead can be ’saved’ in a ritual handing them over to Lucifer, if you have their name and certain information about them. She said she had taken part in a secret ritual conducted in a cavern inside the mountain over Salt Lake, where the latest names collected from genealogical research are read and ’sacrificed’ to Lucifer.


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 Post subject: Mormon Massacre
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Opening in theaters Friday, a motion picture called "September Dawn" depicts a brutal American massacre that has been forgotten. On Sept. 11, 1857, in Utah Territory, Mormons slaughtered more than 120 California-bound settlers from Arkansas. Retelling at this time the 9/11 carnage of 150 years ago does not help Mormon Mitt Romney's presidential campaign.

The basic facts about the Mountain Meadows Massacre are not in dispute. Mormons mobilized Paiute Indians, accompanied by Mormons disguised as Indians, to attack a peaceful wagon train. The settlers beat off the attack but were left short of food and ammunition. They disarmed themselves at the request of Mormons who said they would lead them to safety but instead turned on the settlers, murdering every man, woman and child above the age of 8. All that is in doubt historically is whether this was ordered by Brigham Young, president of the Mormon Church and territorial governor of Utah. "September Dawn" says he was responsible, and the church denies it.

Today's Mormons, including Romney, cannot be blamed for these events. Nevertheless, the candidate has followed the church's example in ignoring this movie. Romney will not comment on "September Dawn" and indeed will not watch it. That follows his decision not to defend his Mormon faith or actively fight religious bias that has impeded his candidacy.

I attended an April 11 screening of the movie at the Motion Picture Association of America headquarters in Washington, hosted by its lead actor: Academy Award-winner Jon Voight (who plays a fictional Mormon bishop). A conservative, he said this was no hit against Romney. "I didn't even know he was running when we began this," Voight told viewers after the screening. But he said this terrible story is important considering America's war against terrorists.

Indeed, Brigham Young -- played by the British actor Terence Stamp -- is portrayed in the film as a 19th-century Osama bin Laden. Calling himself a "second Muhammad," he insists on the "shedding of blood" by "gentiles." He is seen fighting the United States, which was sending federal troops to Utah.

The church always has accepted Young's plea that he had nothing to do with the Mountain Meadows Massacre. But Voight is certain that he did, based on research for the movie. "If any miserable scoundrels come here, cut their throats," Young said in his "Blood Atonement Sermon" (which concluded that he would not fight "unless they come upon us and compel us"). The movie's researchers found in the church archives a generic threat against interlopers: "I will loose the Indians on them, and I will slit their throats from ear to ear."

In response to this column's inquiry, a Mormon Church spokeswoman in Salt Lake City Wednesday said: "The weight of historical evidence shows that Brigham Young did not authorize the massacre." She added that "the church has no comment on the 'September Dawn' movie."

John D. Lee, Young's adopted son who led the massacre, was executed by a firing squad 20 years after the killings -- the only person punished. "I have been sacrificed in a cowardly, dastardly manner," he said after his excommunication by the church and his conviction. In his autobiography, he said the attack was planned "by the direct command of Brigham Young."

I knew no Mormons growing up in Joliet, Ill., and my first experience with the church was watching the 1940 film "Brigham Young." It depicted the original Mormon settlers in Utah as persecuted and peaceful, and Young as prudent and wise. When some Mormons complained then that Young came over as vacillating, church president Heber J. Grant said of the movie: "I endorse it with all my heart. This is one of the greatest days of my life." He knew it could have been much worse.

Mitt Romney surely is not responsible for what kind of man Brigham Young was, but that question hurts his candidacy. Romney has been described by many Republican insiders as the perfect candidate: magnetic, smart and with an excellent record as an executive. His greatest liability has been religious bias against him. He has never seized this issue, thinking it so wrong-headed that it will go away.

Similarly, he has rejected efforts by the producers of "September Dawn" to reach out to him. I made three attempts without success to get his views of the movie. Neither watching it nor condemning it, he may just hope that Americans will not include this bloody tragedy in their spring and summer viewing.


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 Post subject: A Sight Which Can Never Be Forgotten!!
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The Mountain Meadows Massacre

U.S. Army Brevet Major James H. Carleton surveyed and investigated the site in 1859, and reported to Congress that the Mormons were "painted and disguised as Indians." According to Carleton, Lee led the disguised group of Mormons and local Paiute Indians to the emigrants' camp and attacked. As the emigrants fought back, the attackers utilized a new strategy. They withdrew, then the Mormons removed their disguises and returned as a group of white men, telling the emigrants they would protect them from the attackers. The Mormons gained the trust of the emigrants, convincing them the Indians would not hurt them if they gave up their arms. Lee's testimony supports Carleton's report, but Lee offers more gruesome details. He explains that "the troops were to shoot down the men; the Indians were to kill all of the women and larger children." In both Carleton's and Lee's accounts the Paiutes and Mormons share the responsibility of the murders, but the Paiutes have long denied involvement.

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Rock cairn near to the one built by Maj. Carleton in 1859 that stands today where the mass grave was unearthed and the remains later re-interred. Courtesy of Shannon Novak

Since its beginning, the Church of Latter-day Saints (LDS) was at odds with the federal government, its members persecuted for their unorthodox beliefs. Mormonism began in the early nineteenth century with the prophecy of Joseph Smith who wrote the Book of Mormon derived from golden plates he found near a family farm in 1827. From New York, Smith and his followers were continually forced west, their radical theology shunned by each town in which they settled. In 1844, Joseph Smith was killed by an anti-Mormon mob in Illinois, and Brigham Young became the new Prophet.

The Mormons finally settled in the Utah territory where they enjoyed autonomous political and religious power. Young was not only in charge of the church, but also of the state when President Millard Fillmore named him territorial governor of Utah in 1850. In the fragile pre-Civil War era, Young openly flaunted secessionist tendencies. In its attempt to develop its own theocratic government, the church often clashed with the federal government, creating a mutual feeling of distrust.

Maj. Carleton, in his report to Congress, describes the scene at Mountain Meadows: women's hair caught in sage bushes, children's bones found in their mothers' arms, and wolves picking at the bones. It was, he wrote, "a sight which can never be forgotten." Carleton buried the remains and piled rocks into a monument topped by a wooden cross on which he inscribed "Vengeance is mine: I will repay, saith the Lord." Soon after, Brigham Young and his men tore down the monument.

Over the next century, it would be rebuilt and destroyed several times, standing in the nearly inaccessible and otherwise unmarked massacre site. As time passed, the descendants of the victims demanded a permanent monument to honor their ancestors, and Brigham Young's descendants wanted to clear his name. In an attempt to keep both parties happy, the state finally built a permanent monument in 1990, an ambiguous inscription engraved in a granite wall: "In Memoriam: In the valley below, between September 7 and 11, 1857, a company of more than 120 Arkansas emigrants led by Capt. John T. Baker and Capt. Alexander Fancher was attacked while en route to California. This event is known in history as the Mountain Meadows Massacre."

Once again the monument fell to disrepair, this time because of weather and poor construction. The descendants made it clear to the government that the monument needed to be repaired or replaced. The LDS Church hired Shane Baker, an archaeologist from Brigham Young University, to survey the land before a new monument could be built. Baker reportedly found nothing relating to the massacre, clearing the way for the construction of the new monument. On August 3, 1999, a backhoe began digging the foundation. To everyone's surprise, it scooped up the bones of 28 massacre victims, and with it unearthed a new controversy (see "Mountain Meadows Massacre," November 30, 1999).

Utah state law required that the bones be studied, a job that went to forensic anthropologist Shannon Novak from the University of Utah. Novak and her colleagues found entrance and exit holes in the skulls of men that could only have come from gunshots fired at close range, while most women and children found died of blunt force. In her analysis of more than 2,600 bone fragments, Novak found no evidence of knives used to scalp, behead, or cut the throats, as well as no evidence of trauma from arrows.

Although the study cannot determine what weapons Paiutes might have used in the massacre (if they were involved), it brings up the possibility that white men murdered all of the victims, contradicting John D. Lee's testimony accusing Native Americans of slaughtering the women and children. To Shannon Novak, the bones could provide information that incomplete or biased histories could not. "Prior to this analysis, what was known about the massacre was often based on second-hand information, polemical newspaper accounts, and the testimony of known killers," said Novak. "Furthermore, what had come to be merely an abstract historical event, the 'tragedy at Mountain Meadows,' now became a mass murder of specific men, women, and children with proper names an histories."

The analysis of the remains questioned the accuracy of the historical accounts and stirred up many emotions. After five weeks, Novak's analysis was cut short by an order from the governor of Utah, Mike Leavitt, that the bones be re-interred in time for the September anniversary.

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A partially reconstructed frontal bone with a gunshot entrance wound.

Gene Sessions, historian and president of the Mountain Meadows Association (an organization for descendants of the victims), says that the descendants, anxious to leave this issue buried in the ground, appealed to the governor. Leavitt, whose grandfather participated in the massacre, circumvented the law and ordered that the bones be re-interred before the minimum required study was finished because he "did not feel that it was appropriate for the bones to be dissected and studied in a manner that would prolong the discomfort" (Salt Lake Tribune, March 2000).

Despite efforts of the Mormon Church to work with descendants in building the monument, Baker's fruitless survey and the early re-interment of remains sparked allegations that the LDS Church intentionally kept information from the public to coverup their involvement in the massacre. Sessions insists that "there was never any attempt to hurry the bones back into the ground to 'hide' anything," and the descendants strongly opposed any further disturbance of the bones. He argues that "the bones reveal nothing that historians have not known since 1859 when Major Carleton reported that 'nearly every skull I saw had been shot through with pistol or rifle bullets.' As a scholar, I naturally believe that a further study of the bones would certainly reveal much detail, but I do not believe that they would reveal anything I do not already know from the historical record abut how the emigrants were killed and who did it."

Shannon Novak, who has interviewed victims' descendants as part of a two-year oral history project, says she has heard a wide range of opinions on the story of the massacre and the treatment of the site. Some want the bones left untouched, without reminders of the event. Some would like to see the bones returned to Arkansas for a mass burial. Others want to see the bones examined with DNA testing to identify and properly bury their ancestors, allowing a sense of closure. While some have reconciled with the LDS Church, Novak claims that "many or most would like an apology from the church before they would be prepared to put the event behind them." For now, the bones remain behind a plaque at the memorial.

The discovery of the bones complicated an already controversial issue. There is no consensus by descendants, researchers, and the LDS church on what should happen to the remains. The tragedy stirs up deep emotions in the descendants of both the victims and the attackers, and causes one to question whether or not the remains provide insight into the Mountain Meadows Massacre that the historical record does not. In her forthcoming book, however, Shannon Novak addresses her osteological analysis in relation to historical records and recent controversies. Novak found that "The material evidence from the grave appears to have offered some groups and individuals their first opportunity to express their views of the massacre, views that often were in conflict with the traditional accounts touted in state history textbooks and on local monuments."

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A bizarre twist to the Mountain Meadows story came in January 2002, when a volunteer found an inscribed lead sheet while cleaning out John D. Lee's fort just across the Utah border in Arizona. The writing, purportedly by Lee, indicated Brigham Young's role in ordering the massacre. Examiners agree that the lead comes from a time and place historically correct to be the document, and contains oxidation on the inscription itself.

After investigating the metal and oxidation using isotopic measurements, Thomas Brunty of Arizona State University told the Salt Lake Tribune on March 7, 2003 that "It would take a hoaxer a lot of resourcefulness to have found the right lead from the right place." William Flynn, president of Affiliated Forensic Laboratory in Phoenix gave the document much less credit. He said that the age and the amount of oxidation on the document is inconsequential, the certain stone can be found with some research, and the process of oxidation can be accelerated using certain chemicals. "The evidence is overwhelming," concluded Flynn, "that John D. Lee did not inscribe the lead plate."


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